“Mahler wanted to describe all of life, he wanted his music to be a universe in itself.”
Do you remember the first time you heard the music of Gustav Mahler?
Zinman: Yes I do, but I didn’t know it was Mahler at the time. It was in New York City when I was about thirteen years old, and I was taken to a rehearsal of the New York Philharmonic in New York City which Mitropoulos was conducting. And he was something which I had never heard before and didn’t know at all: I had studied the violin from the age of 6 and I played a lot of music, but I’d never heard this music before. And I thought maybe it was something Spanish, I didn’t know what it was – it was probably something from the 4th Symphony that was a little bit Spanish – and I was quite impressed by the sound of it, and I remember thinking ‘what is this?’ But I never found out. So after that I heard some Mahler on the radio, conducted by Bruno Walter, and I think it was probably the 4th, or the 1st, or the 9th Symphony, but I still didn’t know any Mahler so I just thought, yes, this is great music. Then later I went to the Oberlin Conservatory and there was a society called the Mahler Bruckner Society. I knew nothing about Bruckner and even less about Mahler, and the guys who were members of this fellowship were very weird people and so we kind of kept away from them. But this was in 1954, and there was already a Mahler Bruckner Society. And then, while I was at the Conservatory, we played Kindertotenlieder with a mezzo-soprano, and I played in the orchestra for that and it was really very important for me. I immediately got a score and I got records of the Symphonies and started listening to Mahler.