“I could understand Wozzeck better when I knew Mahler.”
Mr Boulez, do you remember the first time you heard the music of Mahler?
Boulez: I don’t think I remember. Yes, I suppose I remember. In France it was not performed at all when I was young. First during the war of course, but even after the war there was a very big gap between the Austrian musical culture and the French musical culture. Therefore I think the first time I heard Mahler, that was in France anyway – but I mean it was the 4th Symphony, and I remember the Schellen [sleigh-bells] at the beginning, because it was so unusual to hear this kind of noise, to begin a symphony especially, that it was surprising. And I mean that it was Kletzki, it was not a French conductor who conducted it, it was Paul Kletzki.